This has been making the blogosphere rounds for a couple days now, but I thought I would throw my comments into the mix. Much that needs to be said has already been said by Pharyngula in his evisceration of the post. Melinda Barton lays down a series of "whackjob claims" that "secular extremists" (which are apparently defined as...all secularists who are extremists, good job!) believe.
Here is Claim One:
"Atheism is based on evidence and reason and is philosophically provable
or proven. Atheism is a matter of thought not belief. In other words,
atheism is true; religion is false."
To which she says,
"Both atheism and theism contain elements of rational thought and
reason. When an adherent of either position examines what the existence
or nonexistence of a supreme being means for humanity and how we
structure our lives and moral/ethical systems, thought is involved.
Ultimately, however, the supernatural's existence or nonexistence
cannot be supported by evidence or proven by reason. Both are a matter
of faith and therefore belief. In the absense of verifiability, neither
can claim to be absolute truth. Placing a burden of proof on either
"side" in the matter would be futile as neither could rise to the
challenge. Tolerance for differences of belief would be far preferable."
I quite frankly don't understand this reply. As Myers points out, the quotation of the atheist only claims that we possess no credible evidence for the theistic hypothesis. That is not an assertion of absolute truth" or provability" whatever those terms might mean.
But the burden of proof seems like it must lie with the theists. I simply don't understand how it could be otherwise. Theists are asserting the existence of an entity that makes some causal difference in the world (at the very least, they suggest that the world would not exist without Her). They are asserting the truth of some particular statement about how the world is.
However, even if we left the burden of proof neutral, it seems like the theists still lose out. First, it seems that many conceptions of the "omni" traits are mutually exclusive or internally incoherent. If so, then we can absolutely set them side. They have been "proven" to be false. Second, there appears to be evidential arguments that God doesn't exist. The problem of evil is just one such argument. The hiddeness of God seems to be yet another one.
So to conclude: theists have the burden of proof and they fail to meet it, but even if they didn't we would still have decisive reason to believe that God did not exist. However, short of demonstrating the incoherency of all possible conceptions of God, this demonstration will be short of an absolute proof. But I can't absolutely prove that there are no invisible unicorns in my pants, but I think it is pretty reasonable for me to believe there aren't any there.
Claim Two will be another post. Let's turn to Claim Three: All religion is oppressive. She says:
"This one flies in the face of the evidence. Yes, it's very easy to show
many instances of oppression stemming from religion. However, it is
also easy to show many instances in which political and social progress
were spearheaded by religious individuals based on the teachings of
their particular faiths. Study the abolitionist movement or the civil
rights movement and you will be hard pressed not to encounter the role
of religion in these struggles for liberation."
If you look at those same movements, you will generally find that atheists got on the bus first, but never mind. Theists like to move from the claim "Some good people are religious" to "Good religious people are good because of their religion." But why should we accept this move? If there are many bad people who are also religious, why should we accept religion as the variable that makes people truly good or truly bad? And if we do not accept it, and there are good reasons to think that religion is generally oppressive (since most religions demand some kind of submission to the God figure), then how are the examples if MLK or Gandhi evidence against that claim?
Claim Four is just stupid. Besides, her argument against it is that the Torah shows that humanity is irredeemably evil. Whatever...
Claim Five is "All religious people want to force you or convince you or coerce you to believe as they do." Of course, I don't know anyone who has said that all religious people are out get them. And unsurprisingly, good old Barton can't actually provide an example of people saying anything of the kind. That strikes me as check and mate for her position, but meh. I have two additions to Myers comments.
First, "good" religious people seem singularly unconcerned with protecting the rights of atheists. So, in that sense, they are often complicit in the activity of the evangelicals. Genuinely liberal and progressive secular who are also really religious are fairly rare in my experience. Most true liberals who attend church don't take religion all that seriously.
Second, I always have to wonder about religious Christians who a) think I am going to hell if I don't believe what they believe and b) are okay with that. I can understand rejecting a) and still being religious, but I have difficulty understanding anyone who believes both a) but doesn't do to save me from an eternity of suffering.
And she finishes up with this gem:
"While most who believe in the separation of church and state hold that
only government support of religion in the public sphere should be
forbidden, the atheist extremist may take it one step further to forbid
the private display of religious symbols in public places. Remember the
laws forbidding the wearing of yarmulkes, crosses, hijabs, and the like
in France."
I have never met an atheist who has said that people shouldn't be allowed to wear religious paraphernalia in public. Ever. And further, the French law doesn't forbid anything like that. It does forbid excessive displays of religiosity in public schools. While I don't really agree with the law, I can understand how a sincere belief in maintaining a secular state might lead one to adopt it. It simply isn't the law that she makes it out to be.
This is a pretty embarrassing column through and through.
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